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Decoder

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas – and other problems. Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policy makers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future. Subscribe here!

Sal Khan is hopeful that AI won’t destroy education

The CEO of Khan Academy and guest host Hank Green on online education and what AI assistants can really do for learning.

Hank Green
The quest to keep OpenAI honest

Why the EyesOnOpenAI coalition is pushing the AI giant to help humanity instead of chase profits.

Alex Heath
Amazon is betting on agents to win the AI race

Why Amazon AGI Labs chief David Luan thinks solving agents is the next ‘S-curve’ for AI.

Alex Heath
How the head of Obsidian went from superfan to CEO

Steph “kepano” Ango on why productivity tools need community more than they need AI.

Casey Newton
The head of ChatGPT on AI attachment, ads, and what’s next

Nick Turley says OpenAI wants to be able to ‘unequivocally endorse’ ChatGPT to ‘a struggling family member.’

Alex Heath
Notion CEO Ivan Zhao wants you to demand better from your tools

The head of Notion on productivity, LEGO, and what he learned from Kyoto’s craft tradition.

Casey Newton
GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke on Copilot, vibe coding, and AI’s next chapter

The head of GitHub says coding with AI is ‘here to stay.’

Alex Heath
Why tech is racing to adopt AI coding

Anysphere CEO Michael Truell and guest host Casey Newton discuss Cursor and the future of programming.

Casey Newton
Why AI researchers are getting paid like NBA All-Stars

The Verge’s Hayden Field and I chat about how AI researcher became the most lucrative tech job of all time.

Alex Heath
ChatGPT can be a disaster for lawyers — Robin AI says it can fix that

Robin AI CEO Richard Robinson on hallucinations, facts versus truth, and how lawyers can use generative AI today.

Jon Fortt
We are not ready for better deepfakes

Captions CEO Gaurav Misra on his company’s alarming deepfake report and what to watch out for as the tech advances.

Alex Heath
Why tech billionaires want a ‘corporate dictatorship’

Guest host Jon Fortt and The Nerd Reich author Gil Duran discuss the Dark Enlightenment and the rise of tech authoritarianism.

Jon Fortt
Perplexity’s CEO on why the browser is AI’s killer app

Aravind Srinivas on Perplexity’s new Comet web browser, the AI talent frenzy, and a future IPO.

Alex Heath
How decision-making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy

Cassie Kozyrkov, former chief decision scientist at Google, on how AI influences decision-making.

Jon Fortt
Inside the AI startup frenzy: ‘Everyone’s pivoting, then pivoting again’

Meaning founder and former Verge reporter Ellis Hamburger on the ethical vacuum in AI and what founders aren’t saying publicly.

Alex Heath
How SharkNinja took over the home, with CEO Mark Barrocas

The head of the home appliance giant on grilling, product design, and the future of viral marketing.

Nilay Patel
Why Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg went to war over WordPress

The head of the WordPress project on the WP Engine lawsuit, Automattic turning 20, and what’s next for the web.

Nilay Patel
Hinge CEO Justin McLeod says dating AI chatbots is ‘playing with fire’

The head of Hinge on AI, monetization, and the future of online dating.

Nilay Patel
Taskrabbit CEO Ania Smith isn’t afraid of AI robots replacing human labor

The head of the Ikea-owned gig work platform on AI automation, the state of the gig economy, and the future of labor.

Nilay Patel
Runway CEO Cris Valenzuela wants Hollywood to embrace AI video

The head of the AI video platform on Hollywood, copyright, and the future of filmmaking.

Nilay Patel
Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky wants to build the everything app

The head of Airbnb on his company’s new redesign and the quest to sell you much more than travel.

Nilay Patel
How private equity kills companies and communities

Journalist Megan Greenwell’s new book Bad Company explores the ways private equity has transformed American business.

Nilay Patel
Google CEO Sundar Pichai on the future of search, AI agents, and selling Chrome
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The head of Google discusses the next AI platform shift and how it could change how we use the internet forever.

Nilay Patel
Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi is okay with reinventing the bus

The head of Uber on autonomous cars, shared rides, and the future of mobility.

Nilay Patel
Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI can save the web, not destroy it

One of Microsoft’s top AI leaders on the future of agents, web search, and AI art.

Nilay Patel
Workday’s new head of product wants you to like Workday as much as he does

Gerrit Kazmaier on what AI can really do and the quest to make enterprise software suck less.

Nilay Patel
Did Apple get too big for its own good? With Daring Fireball’s John Gruber

Breaking down the latest Epic v. Apple ruling and what it means for the future of the App Store.

Nilay Patel
Reuters is ready to stand up for the press — and embrace AI

President Paul Bascobert on distribution, press freedom, and the value of facts.

Nilay Patel
Trump’s first 100 days: DOGE, tariffs, TikTok, and more

A look at some of the things Trump has — and sometimes hasn’t — broken in 100 days

Nilay Patel
Illegally fired FTC commissioners on Meta, bribes, and fighting for privacy

Alvaro Bedoya and Rebecca Slaughter want to take their fight to the Supreme Court, and they think they can win.

Nilay Patel
Former DOJ antitrust chief says a Google break up will benefit the internet

Jonathan Kanter’s team won two antitrust trials against Google for the DOJ. But the big question is what happens next.

Nilay Patel
Verizon’s consumer chief: Net neutrality ‘went literally nowhere’

Sowmyanarayan Sampath on the 5G race with China and the challenges of standing up to the Trump administration.

Nilay Patel
How Trump’s tariffs actually work on the ground

Flexport CEO Ryan Petersen offers an air-, sea-, and ground-level view on the tariff chaos.

Nilay Patel
Are prediction markets gambling? Robinhood CEO Vlad Tenev is betting not

From meme stocks to bank accounts, how Robinhood is expanding its turf.

Nilay Patel
Why DOGE is killing the agency that keeps banks from ripping you off

Rohit Chopra, Trump’s fired Wall Street watchdog, on the future of financial regulation.

Nilay Patel
UiPath CEO Daniel Dines on AI agents replacing our jobs

After some time away, the head of UiPath is placing a big bet on agentic AI being the future of automation.

Nilay Patel
What AI anime memes tell us about the future of art and humanity

The Studio Ghibli saga has blown the AI art debate wide open.

Nilay Patel
CEO Matt Bromberg on ending Unity’s ‘war’ against its customers

How Unity weathered a user revolt and refocused on its game engine

Nilay Patel
Capitalism vs. the bird flu

What happens when a deadly, pathogenic virus collides with Big Agriculture?

Nilay Patel
Splice CEO Kakul Srivastava on where to draw hard lines around AI in music

The head of the sample platform thinks creatives “deserve better” than AI tools that do all the work for them.

Nilay Patel